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Time To Be Honest: Greg Hardy Is Bad, But He Isn’t Alone



News & Notes - Greg Hardy Is A Piece Of Shit

It’s a fairly simple math problem.

Any man who can allow himself to physically harm a woman is a piece of shit.

Greg Hardy physically harmed a woman.

Thus, Greg Hardy is a piece of shit.

Say it with me: “Greg Hardy is a piece of shit.”

This is something I have privately felt for several months but publicly refrained from saying. After several private discussions with Cowboys fans who I hadn’t seen say this publicly, I know I’m not alone.

Before I jump too far into this, I want to make something crystal clear and this part is a personal belief of mine. People have stated they’re disappointed that Hardy has never given a public apology. My take on this is that it is very arrogant of people to want a public apology. The victim deserves an apology, you and I do not. For you and I to put ourselves on the level of pretending we deserve an apology when nothing happened to us is total arrogance. Nothing happened to you. Nothing happened to me. We don’t deserve an apology.

Moving on…

As a fan of the Cowboys, we find ourselves defending the team, the front office, the coaching staff, the players, etc, on a daily basis. Every new sunrise seems to bring a new thing that people want to bash the Cowboys for.

I had a friend tell me he was disappointed in the fact that I have gone easy on Hardy publicly. He pointed out to me that, with the following we have with @CowboysNation, we have a responsibility to be honest about this.

He was absolutely correct.

So here you go, here are some of the things I have felt and never publicly said:

When Randy Gregory fell into our lap, I hoped it meant that we could release Greg Hardy although I knew this wouldn’t be the case.

When Greg Hardy made his 9/11 joke in May, I privately hoped his time in Dallas would be over.

I think it’s obvious that Greg Hardy is a person with anger issues, who crossed an uncrossable line on May 12, 2014.

I want the Cowboys to win a Super Bowl, but in my head, I have pictured the words that would be said countless times, “You guys had to have a woman beater on the team to do it”.

I didn’t want that to be the takeaway if we won with him.

I want the takeaway to be about all the years with Tony Romo and Jason Witten and Jason Garrett and Jerry winning without Jimmy (or Jimmy’s players), I want to see the raw emotion we would get from Dez, etc.

I didn’t want any success to be publicly tarnished in the way we know it would be with Hardy on the team.

When I reached out to Hardy and asked him to donate to the airplane banner & Children’s Hospital we were helping to raise money for and he replied and donated, I thought “Okay, maybe he gets it. Maybe this is the start of trying to be the good guy.” So I started trying to positively build him up publicly.

Training Camp started and we saw the videos of Hardy getting along with teammates and fans. We heard stories about him being a leader with the team, pushing teammates to work harder, etc.

Things seemed to be moving in the right direction.

The season started and Hardy’s on-field talent immediately seemed like he might at least be worth the headache. “Maybe now the focus will be on his play”.

And then the game happened against the Giants. Rich Bisaccia. Clipboard. Hardy. Here we go again.

Oh and now pictures from May 2014 have been released.

And here come our instincts again. Defend the team. Defend the front office. Defend the players.

For me, exhausted from all of it, I was done defending Greg Hardy.

I put out 1 statement, spread over 11 tweets:

“All along, my stance has been “I don’t know what happened that night and neither do you”. While the release of pictures gives us a better idea of what happened that night, it doesn’t paint a different picture than what could have been reasonably expected to have been the case. Whatever happened, happened to and between Holder and Hardy. Nothing happened to YOU or ME and I say this specifically because I maintain my stance that Hardy owes us nothing. He doesn’t owe us an apology. My stance still remains that Hardy is a football player who clearly was responsible for a very bad situation in his past. Much like Vick and many others, Hardy went thru the legal process. If you’re mad that he isn’t in prison, then be mad at the people responsible for the case. The Cowboys/NFL have no control over the legal process. Speaking on behalf of the people behind this account, while we have favorite or least favorite players, we root for the Star. As mentioned 2 weeks ago, we will continue to focus more on on-field topics, because that is the entire point of what we do.”

I was ripped for this statement, with people saying I was defending Greg Hardy, despite the words “Hardy… clearly was responsible for a very bad situation in his past.” Somehow me saying I felt he was responsible was me defending him.

This statement caused people of “higher morals” to say some thoughtful things to me, here are just 2 of the highlights:

  • “Go buy a gun and kill yourself.”
  • “I hope you have a daughter and Hardy rapes and kills her.”

So thank you, to those hundreds of you that replied negatively, and especially those two people, thank you for taking the time to teach me how to be a better person.

Are you ready to see what a difference perspective makes?

Greg Hardy, who had been following @CowboysNation when I made that statement, blocked us after that statement.

I’m guessing Greg Hardy didn’t feel like those words were defending him.

One thing I am completely at a loss over, if you are upset about Greg Hardy playing in the NFL, why aren’t you also upset about:

  • Adrian Peterson - who assaulted his own child, still playing
  • Ahmad Brooks – facing sexual battery charges, still playing
  • Aldon Smith – hit and run, DUI, several prior arrests, still playing
  • Sheldon Richardson – recklessly driving at 143 mph to avoid arrest with a 12-year-old child in his car at the time, still playing
  • Bruce Miller – charged with domestic battery, still playing
  • Letroy Guion – felony firearm charges, still playing
  • D’Qwell Jackson - assault charges, still playing
  • Chris Johnson – illegally open-carrying a firearm, still playing
  • Tim Jennings – DUI, reckless driving, speeding, still playing
  • Junior Galette – domestic violence/battery, then signed by Redskins
  • Le’Veon Bell – DUI, still playing
  • Erin Henderson – DWI, still playing
  • Jo-Lonn Dunbar – battery and disorderly conduct, still playing
  • Mike Vick – murdered/tortured countless dogs because they couldn’t fight good enough, still playing
  • Henry Melton – assault, still playing
  • Ben Roethlisberger – accused of sexual assault, still playing
  • Marcell Dareus – reckless endangerment, still playing
  • Chris Culliver – hit-and-run and rammed a witness’ vehicle, still playing
  • Frank Clark – domestic violence, then drafted by Seattle, still playing

I only included situations where the player physically harmed someone (domestic violence, battery, etc, allegedly or otherwise) or could have physically harmed someone (DUI, reckless endangerment, etc, allegedly or otherwise).

I could go on and on with this list. I could continue typing that list for hours, as the San Diego Union-Tribune has an easily accessible log of 809 NFL player arrests. (

While many people will talk about Hardy not spending time in prison, in comparison to a situation like Vick, the legal system and the NFL are 2 completely separate things, so let's treat them as such.

The list I posted should be enough for you to realize that if you’re only upset about Hardy playing in the NFL, you’re missing a larger problem.

Personally, I think Greg Hardy is an absolute piece of shit and I think the majority of the names on the list above are also pieces of shit.

Now, I ask you, if you’re only talking about Greg Hardy, why aren’t you talking about all the people on that list? Do you not care about their victims/potential victims? I sure do.

I would hope you care as much about every victim equally and not care about 1 just because of a uniform and the headlines that come along with being negative about the Cowboys.

I promise you, if you make this campaign about all the scum in the league, I’ll be screaming the loudest in agreement with you. When you look like you only care about 1 guy it makes you look like you only care about 1 victim.

Let that sink in.

If you’re only talking about 1 guy, it makes you look like you only care about 1 of the victims, and that’s a bad, hypocritical look to have.

Speaking to Cowboys fans:

I understand your conundrum. We grew up rooting for the Star. We’ve spent years defending the Star. The daily barrage of criticism to Romo or the Cowboys, etc has created an instinct that makes us feel like we have to defend EVERYTHING. We don’t.

It is ok to root for the Star and still say Greg Hardy is a piece of shit.

Mike is originally from Central Florida and has been a Cowboys fan since watching his first Thanksgiving Day game in 1987. Serving diligently as the voice of @CowboysNation on Twitter since March 2014, he strives to enhance the fan experience for every Cowboys fan he encounters.

  • Randy

    Agree completely. Great story. I have yet to understand why he is treated as Satan himself when so many others get a pass. Other than the obvious reason that he plays for America’s most easily hated team in all of sports. If it was Robert Kraft and Bill Bellichick them there wouldn’t be nearly as much public outcry, but he plays for Dallas and everyone loves to hate them and Jerry.

    • Bryson Treece

      Yep. Lot of vitriol when it comes to the smallest slights by anyone wearing a star. Hardy did something bad, so did a lot of other people that I watched fans holler all over Twitter for Dallas to sign. People need to take a step back, a.k.a. pull their heads out of their asses. Thanks for reading, Randy.

  • jaime

    Finally. All those players listed are pieces of shit including ray lewis (yes the Ravens hero that killed someone). People say AP was just “disciplining” his son and that is somehow different from hardy. The way I see it the 4 year old can’t defend himself or call the Cops unlike Holder but fans give AP a hallpass. Yes he’s an absolute piece of shit but plenty of players have done worse and still suit up on Sundays.

  • sue cavanaugh

    Your logic reminds me of the fourth graders I taught. When I called a students out on what they were doing, they would say, “But Johnny’s doing it, too.” There are plenty of other players who deserve our scorn. Just because the Greg Hardy case is the one that breaks the camel’s back, doesn’t give the Cowboys a pass.

  • Larry

    Great story but unfortunately I totally disagree with u calling everyone a piece of shit. Let me just say up front I DO NOT Agee with violence domestic violence at all as my mother and father were victims of it. And I believe everyone should have their day in court to let the law decide the punishment. Everyone deserves a second chance because EVERYONE INCLUDING ALL IF YOU AND MYSELF, have made mistakes. Now the severity of the mistakes might be completely different from one case to another. Half of the people that are condeming Hardy are the ones that are saying they love AP or Tom Brady. Niw comparing the 2 offenses is a bit tricky, as most if u would say how do you compare Hardy and AP to Brady, well all their TERRIBLE decisions had an impact on other peoples lives. Brady set out to gain an advantage to win a playoff game and get back to the super bowl. Ok this was premeditated, which in turn can destroy hund re ds of lives. How you say? Imagine u are a die hard colts fan and you just know they are going to beat the Patriots so you go and bet(legally) your entire months pay on the Colts and Tom Brady deflates the balls to win the game, and also takes jobs away from people in Colts home town as this ended their playoff run. That could impact.alot of people’s lives. Then you look at Hardy and APS cases which obviously i dont have to explain how this affects others lives. Yes I have been criticized before for comparing these but wrong is wrong. OK so you say Brady didn’t do it? Ok, Hardy never got his “official ” day in court. If there’s a problem with that then you need to address the state of North Carolina as that is their law. So are they the same severity wise? Wrong is wrong no matter what the case is, even if it is the golden boy or golden coach. So before you rush to judge and say these people shouldn’t be in the nfl and they are a piece if shit ask yourself if you were running a business and you had a GREAT, DIFFERENCE MAKING EMPLOYEE, that had so charges for domestic violence (away from work and charges were dropped no matter what the reason) or even got fired from previous job for breaking the rules. Or even heaven forbud it was a relative of yours. Would you not give this person the chance to redeem him or herself. And as for do i want this guy to be a role model fir my child? No i dont, I WANT TO BE THE ROLE MODEL FOR MY CHILD and it all starts at home with you as the parents and myself. Just remember “HE WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE”

    • tony

      I. LOVE. YOU! I’m the most manliest, macho type of way. Your comment and this article proves how unfair people are because of the team a player plays for. I like his take and I like your take better, because you believe in not calling people out of their name, and you believe in second chances. A very few people don’t deserve one, but most do. Thank you for attempting to make people realize what a better world we could be, only if we can forgive the ones who deserve it.

  • Mike Viens

    Very well expressed. I agree with everything you said and while he may be a piece of shit now, he deserves a chance to redeem himself. Ruining his life and career serves no purpose beyond vengeance. Maybe you feel like he deserves it but I would challenge that if you are willing to take it there , there is nothing he could have done to change your mind. I’m as pissed about his actions as you but I also understand that a singular moment where I acted really poorly doesn’t define my worth. M

    • Bryson Treece

      A singular moment when he acted poorly is one thing, having it in his character to hit a woman is quite another.

      Regardless, reading the article it’s clear that Mike makes the above distinction and also says we aren’t owed anything by Greg Hardy. The problem with this sort of thing that people are riled up over the details of the wrong and forget to look at the good, or at the very least, the not bad.

      Ruining his career and life is not what the article condones, implied or otherwise. Don’t be like the masses who read one sentence and shut their high logic down for the day. Read everything if you’re going to read anything, but read everything especially before you say anything. Too much of that hotheadedness going around and making the situation worse. Hardy deserves a second chance but real men don’t forgive such a big mistake. It’s not personal, just about knowing that he’s willing to cross a line the men I respect wouldn’t dare approach, let alone cross it.

      And then there’s money…

      I wonder who got paid for the pictures? Conveniently, they were released just days after His Record Was Expunged, obviously trying to inflame the situation. All I can be sure of is that it wasn’t Holder or anyone on her behalf, not unless she wants to give the money back. But so what, Deadspin? Pictures don’t change anything about this case beyond touching an emotional nerve in people who otherwise weren’t capable of figuring out what the bruises looked like. We’ll stick with intelligent readers, you can have the rest.

      Thanks for reading, Mike.

  • Jennifer Ann’s Group

    Admirable effort to deflect blame – but it is nonsense.

    When you go to court for a speeding ticket to you whine & sulk about all the speeders who don’t get tickets?” Try that in court and see what the response is – and you’ll be able to understand our response: ► SO WHAT? ◄

    Do we think Michael Vick is a terrible person? Yep (but at least he served time). Does that have anything do with Greg Hardy beating the **** out of his defenseless ex-girlfriend? ► NO. ◄ (Hopefully you already knew that.)

    The fact that you use this intellectually dishonest argument speaks volumes about how you perceive the problem of dating violence (as well as the value you place on value compared to human rights). Unfortunately this is a serious issue which is not being addressed in a responsible manner.

    We all have a responsibility to put a stop to this bad behavior and you do nobody any favors by acting as public apologist for this coward who will forever be remembered as the abuser that he is.

  • http://None Dad365

    This is nonsense. Even if he accepted the original judges punishment it included NO JAIL TIME and 3 years probation.
    Unlike most if not all of you cry babies ive actually done something about domestic violence. I understand the emotions the dynamics of it all. Ive both been there and dealt with the aftermath(s) of it all.
    I clicked cuffs on pieces of shits and ive clicked cuffs on guys defending themselves a bit to much. Ive served orders of protections against guys who are *normal* but violate it due to the again the dynamics of the situation(s).
    Ive worked in jails. Im on a first name basis with pieces of shit. I dont know hardy at all … but i lean towards not. Onky his future actions will help us judge that. But ive been deep in domestic issues and until you do that you have no idea.
    Bit premature to call him a piece.of shit …

  • Stephen Stempo

    Block me all you want but I was right you know. All you have to do if you think he is a piece of shit is stop mentioning him.

    Also i’d send him his 300 dollars back.

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Should Cowboys Reunite Shea McClellin With Rod Marinelli?

Brian Martin



Should Cowboys Reunite Shea McClellin With Rod Marinelli?

Since becoming the defensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys, Rod Marinelli hasn't had too many of his former players follow him to Dallas. In fact, I can only think of one… Henry Melton, and we all know how that turned out.

I don't know about you, but I found that a little strange. It's pretty common for coaches to try to bring some of their players with them when they accept a new job. Familiarity goes a long way in the NFL and former players can also help make the transition easier for everyone.

Strangely enough, Rod Marinelli hasn't really been afforded that luxury, whether it was his doing or not. But, there is a free agent who played under Marinelli's tutelage in Chicago who might make sense for the Dallas Cowboys, linebacker Shea McClellin.

Rod Marinelli was the defensive coordinator in Chicago when the Bears decided to draft Shea McClellin 19th overall in the 2012 NFL Draft. Marinelli likely had a big say in that decision, and if he still feels the same, a reunion could be in order.

Shea McClellin started his career in the NFL as a 4-3 left side defensive end playing opposite Julius Peppers, but was also viewed as a potential Brian Urlacher replacement. He showed flashes of becoming a solid defensive end his first few years in the league, but was eventually moved to linebacker, where he seemed to find a home for himself.

Shea McClellin

New England Patriots LB Shea McClellin

After his contract expired with the Bears, the New England Patriots decided to bring him aboard to help with their linebacker depth. He only ended up starting four games for them in 2016, but made some memorable plays to help the Patriots become the Super Bowl champions.

Unfortunately, the 2017 season wasn't very kind to him. His entire year was wiped out due to a concussion, which probably had a lot to do with why they recently released him.

This of course could be good news for the Dallas Cowboys. They currently need some depth at the linebacker position and Shea McClellin could provide that, if he's healthy. The healthy bit here is key, because he has had problems with concussions in the past.

If McClellin is indeed healthy, he could bring a versatile skill set to the Cowboys defense. His best spot is probably at strong side LB (SAM), but I think he could play middle linebacker (MIKE) as well. He also could provide depth at defensive end, the position he played to start his NFL career.

With the LB depth a concern, Shea McClellin makes quite a bit of sense for the Dallas Cowboys. Of course, his past history with concussions is a red flag, but it also drives down his asking price. I think he would definitely fall into that "bargain shopping" mentality the Cowboys have been using these last few offseasons.

He probably wouldn't be viewed as a very important signing, but you still need these types of players on your team in order to succeed in the NFL. Let's see if the Dallas Cowboys agree.

Do you think a Rod Marinelli and Shea McClellin reunion is in order?

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Redskins Have Not Had Success With Former Cowboys

Jess Haynie



Redskins Have Not Had Success With Former Cowboys

Now that he's signed with the Washington Redskins, cornerback Orlando Scandrick joins a lackluster list of former Cowboys players and coaches who have gone from Dallas to its historic rival. The history of these moves is ugly for Washington, going back over 40 years, and can't have their fans too excited anytime they sign an ex-Cowboy.

The most recent example was just last year with defensive tackle Terrell McClain. After a strong season as a 15-game starter in Dallas, McClain got a four-year, $21 million deal to join the Redskins. He missed four games with injuries and was only credited with two starts; hardly what the team wanted given the money they paid.

Before him it was Jason Hatcher, whose 11-sack season for the Cowboys in 2013 got him a four-year, $27.5 million deal from Washington. Hatcher would battle knee injuries for two season, getting only 7.5 sacks from 2014-2015. His early retirement in 2016 brought an abrupt end to a disappointing tenure.

Continuing the legacy of defensive linemen was Stephen Bowen, who Washington paid a shocking amount of money ($27.5 million over five years) to in 2011 to pick up in free agency. Bowen had a great first year for the Redskins with six sacks and 16 starts, but injuries would soon cost him 14 games from 2013-2014. He was eventually released after only one standout season in four with the team.

Going back even further, DT Brandon Noble joined Washington in 2003 after being a full-time starter for Dallas for over two seasons. He would miss all of 2003 with a knee injury, have an unimpressive year in 2004, and then missed all of 2005 with more health issues. He retired after being released by the Redskins in 2006.

Redskins Have Not Had Success With Former Cowboys 1

Hall of Fame CB Deion Sanders

Orlando Scandrick won't be the first cornerback to go from Dallas to Washington, or the best. At age 32, Deion Sanders was released in 2000 by the Cowboys and then got a huge seven-year, $56 million deal from the Redskins. This came less than a year after Daniel Snyder bought the franchise and was desperate to get them relevant again.

The Sanders move backfired horribly. Even after a solid season by his lofty standards, Primetime was disgruntled with both the coaching staff and his increasing struggles as an aging player. He suddenly retired after just one season of the seven-year contract.

Washington also tried to tap into the Cowboys' glory days when they signed receiver Alvin Harper in 1997. Harper had left Dallas in 1995 and spent two years with Tampa Bay, but had not carried over the same success he enjoyed playing in the Dallas offense.

The Redskins hoped that reuniting him with Norv Turner, who had been Harper's offensive coordinator and was now their head coach, would help Alvin get back to form. But between ongoing injuries and the absence of Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, and Emmitt Smith as teammates, Alvin Harper was never the same guy as when he won two Super Bowls in Dallas.

The failed poaching attempts go back many more decades, another one being running back Calvin Hill. The fourth-leading rusher in Cowboys history and a four-time Pro Bowler while in Dallas, Hill joined Washington in 1976. He served as a backup only, averaging only 3.8 yards-per-carry as he played behind the likes of Mike Thomas and John Riggins.

Redskins Have Not Had Success With Former Cowboys 2

Norv Turner also couldn't bring his Cowboys success to Washington. (Brian Bahr/Allsport)

The bad history doesn't stop with players. The aforementioned Norv Turner, who was one of the hottest assistant coaches in history after the Cowboys first two Super Bowl wins in the 90s, was hired as the Redskins' head coach in 1994.

Turner's run started with a whimper, drafting quarterback Heath Shuler third overall in that first year. Shuler would go down as one of the biggest QB busts in NFL history

Norv's Redskins never seemed to recover from that blunder. He only had two winning seasons and one playoff appearance from 1994-1999, and was fired midway through the 2000 season.

Far more recently, Cowboys offensive line coach Bill Callahan left the team in 2015 and took the same job in Washington. He didn't get to bring the offensive line or DeMarco Murray with him, though. As such, the Redskins have remained one of the league's worst rushing teams for the last three seasons. They fell to a new low of 28th in the NFL in 2017.

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Of course, none of this means that Orlando Scandrick won't have success in Washington. But with the Redskins generally the most mismanaged team in the NFC East, all of the Dallas players and coaches who've gone there have not walked into good situations. For all that Cowboys fans love to complain about Jerry Jones, he handles the owner and GM roles better than any pair Washington's had in almost 30 years.

Given the nature of the rivalries, we naturally can't wish success for Scandrick or anyone else who leaves Dallas for a division opponent. With the track record we just discussed for Washington, it's not something I'll be losing any sleep over.

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Xavier Woods, the Real Reason Cowboys Didn’t Pursue Tyrann Mathieu?

Brian Martin



Cowboys Have Their Version of Tryann Mathieu in Xavier Woods?

It's not uncommon for Dallas Cowboys fans to zero in on certain free agents in hopes that they will bring their talents to America's Team. In fact, just about any "big name" player to hit the open market is often linked to the Cowboys in some way or another. That was the case when the Arizona Cardinals decided to move on from Tyrann Mathieu.

Once Tyrann Mathieu became available, Cowboys fans immediately wanted to see him with a star on his helmet. But, despite the fans petitioning, the Cowboys brass seemed to show almost zero interest in the former Cardinal.

The decision to not pursue Tyrann Mathieu certainly didn't sit well with a lot of Cowboys Nation, but I think it was the right decision.

Despite Mathieu's perceived talents and youth (he's just 25), the Cowboys weren't interested in paying the price to bring him to Dallas, especially since they already have a similar player on their roster.

Xavier Woods

Dallas Cowboys DB Xavier Woods

It may sound crazy, but I think the real reason the Dallas Cowboys didn't show much interest in Tyrann Mathieu is because of Xavier Woods.

I honestly believe Xavier Woods and Tyrann Mathieu have a similar skill set. Both players are little undersized to be a full-time safety in the NFL, but each of them have the versatility to play several different roles in the secondary.

Mathieu may have been listed as a safety on the Arizona Cardinals roster, and now the Houston Texans, but the truth is he played mostly out of the nickel/slot in his professional and collegiate career. That is where he is at his best, and the same can be said about Xavier Woods.

As a rookie, Xavier Woods showed his versatility with the Dallas Cowboys by playing a variety of different roles in the secondary. His versatility was one of the reasons the Cowboys decided to trade up in last year's draft to acquire his services.

His name might not carry the same kind of weight as Tyrann Mathieu right now around the league or amongst NFL fans, but I don't think Xavier Woods is that much of a drop off talent wise.

Xavier Woods

Dallas Cowboys DB Xavier Woods (AP Photo/Ron Jenkins)

Personally, I believe Mathieu is starting to decline a little as a player. I think injuries are starting to take a toll on his play, although it may be minimal. I actually prefer Xavier Woods' upside, especially when you take into account the difference in salaries between the two.

Surprisingly enough, Xavier Woods might just have been more productive in 2017 then Mathieu. Woods started just four games and finished the season with 42 tackles, three passes defensed, and one interception. Mathieu on the other hand started all 16 games and accumulated 78 tackles, one quarterback sack, one forced fumble, and two interceptions.

As you can see, Xavier Woods was almost just as productive as Mathieu in nearly a third of the playing time. What's even more impressive about this is that Woods accomplish this as a rookie.

Of course, all of this is speculation, but I for one am not all that upset the Dallas Cowboys missed out on Tyrann Mathieu. I'm willing to bet on Xavier Woods being able to do everything Mathieu can and at a fraction of the cost.

Were the Cowboys right not to pursue Tyrann Mathieu?

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